Sirajuddin Haqqani, Afghanistan’s performing inside minister and the Taliban’s co-deputy chief since 2016, made the feedback in an unique, first on-camera interview exhibiting his face with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in Kabul.
In March after many guarantees that women would be capable to attend secondary faculty, the Taliban reversed their determination, suspending the return indefinitely.
When requested about Afghan girls who say they’re afraid to go away their houses beneath Taliban rule, and people who have reported a chilling impact of the militant group’s management, Haqqani added with amusing: “We hold naughty girls at dwelling.”
After being pressed to make clear his remark by Amanpour, he mentioned: “By saying naughty girls, it was a joke referring to these naughty girls who’re managed by another sides to deliver the present authorities into query.”
Haqqani additionally set out some parameters for the way forward for girls and work, which will likely be restricted by the Taliban’s interpretation of Islamic legislation and “nationwide, cultural and conventional ideas.”
“They’re allowed to work inside their very own framework,” he advised Amanpour.
The Taliban minister was talking in his first on-camera interview with a Western media outlet in years, simply months after exhibiting his face in public for the primary time. The high-ranking and intensely secretive official is needed by the FBI and has been labeled by the US State Division as a “specifically designated world terrorist.” He has a $10 million bounty on his head.
His feedback on women’ training and the rights of ladies punctuated a sequence of claims that “there is no such thing as a one against (women’) training” within the Afghan authorities.
“Already women are allowed to go to highschool as much as grade 6, and above that grade, the work is continuous on a mechanism,” Haqqani mentioned. “Very quickly, you’ll hear excellent information about this challenge, God prepared,” he added, with out specifying a timeframe.
Afterwards, Haqqani’s aides mentioned the interview was an effort to open a brand new chapter in relations with the US and the world.
However the Taliban have repeatedly made assurances to the worldwide neighborhood that it’ll shield the rights of ladies and women since seizing Afghanistan final August, whereas concurrently stripping away a lot of their freedoms and protections.
Many school-age women and girls have already misplaced hope. “Their complete authorities [is] in opposition to women’ training,” 19-year-old Maryam advised CNN on Tuesday. “I do not consider that the Taliban fulfil their guarantees … they do not perceive our emotions.”
“Step-by-step they’re taking all our freedoms,” added Fatima, 17. “The Taliban now and the Taliban of the 90s are the identical — I do not see any change on their coverage and guidelines.
“Our solely hope is the worldwide neighborhood brings excessive stress on the Taliban to permit women to go to highschool. Nothing else [will] work.”
Maryam and Fatima, like the opposite girls CNN spoke to, didn’t present their final names because of issues about their safety.
Haqqani’s feedback will doubtless do little to encourage observers that the Taliban are severe about their commitments. “Everybody from the Taliban management has zero credibility on this challenge,” Heather Barr, affiliate director of the Girls’s Rights Division at worldwide watchdog Human Rights Watch, advised CNN.
“They’ve made representations about their supposed respect for ladies and women,” since taking energy, Barr added. “Every single day after that there was a brand new crackdown on girls, and that is continued to accentuate over time.”
The G7 international ministers and the Excessive Consultant of the European Union final week expressed their “strongest opposition” in opposition to the rising restrictions imposed by the Taliban on girls’s and women’ rights. Haqqani advised CNN the worldwide neighborhood’s “judgements, analysis, and determination making are all one-sided,” including: “We’re nonetheless on the preliminary part. It has barely been eight months since we took over the federal government … we’re but to deliver the scenario again to regular.”
When pressed by Amanpour on whether or not all girls need to cowl their faces, Haqqani responded: “We aren’t forcing girls to put on [the] hijab, however we’re advising them and preaching to them infrequently … [the] hijab will not be obligatory however it’s an Islamic order that everybody ought to implement.”
On the streets of Kabul, the rising isolation of ladies from society has left many in financial peril. “I’ve to work,” a girl named Khotima advised CNN. “They need to allow us to work as a result of we’ve got to change into the lads of the household so we are able to discover bread for the kids.”
“When you do not have cash, when you do not have [a] job, you do not have revenue, would you be capable to eat correct meals when there is no such thing as a work?” added one other girl named Farishta.
US not ‘presently’ enemy, Haqqani says
Haqqani was talking with CNN two months after the Taliban launched uncommon images of the minister at a ceremony for law enforcement officials. Previous to that, he had not often been seen in public; his FBI “Most Needed” poster options solely a grainy image exhibiting a part of his face.
Haqqani advised CNN that “Sooner or later, we want to have good relations with the US and the worldwide neighborhood,” including: “presently we don’t have a look at them as enemies.”
However he made repeated assurances about girls’s rights and training for women that had been at odds with the observations of worldwide watchdogs and governments.
“The worldwide neighborhood is elevating the problem of ladies’s rights lots. Right here in Afghanistan, there are Islamic, nationwide, cultural, and conventional ideas,” he mentioned. “Throughout the limits of these ideas, we’re working to offer them with alternatives to work and that’s our objective.”
Afghan women above grade 6 had been due to return to highschool in March for the primary time for the reason that Taliban’s takeover, however had been advised to remain dwelling till an acceptable faculty uniform in response to Sharia and Afghan customs and tradition is designed, the Taliban-run Bakhtar Information Company reported on the time.
Haqqani advised CNN the delay was vital whereas leaders design the “mechanism” via which women can return to training. “There have been some shortcomings inside the preparations that had been ongoing. Work is ongoing on these points,” he mentioned.
However consultants expressed skepticism that their motives are totally different than was the case between 1996 and 2001, when the primary Taliban regime barred women from finding out.
“They at all times mentioned the circumstances aren’t proper now, [but they would] determine it out,” Barr mentioned. “In these 5 years, that second by no means got here. So very clearly to girls and women, that was at all times a lie, and that is the way it feels this time as properly.”
Haqqani was additionally questioned on the standing of Mark Frerichs, a US veteran and contractor who was kidnapped in Kabul in late January 2020 and is believed to be held by the Haqqani community.
A proof of life video, apparently filmed in November 2021, emerged in April, by which Frerichs mentioned: “I might prefer to ask the management of the Islamic Emirate of fghanistan, please, launch me. Launch me in order that I could also be reunited with my household.”
Haqqani advised CNN: “That’s what they assume, that he’s with us … There isn’t any impediment from the Emirate facet for his launch. If the US accepts the Islamic Emirate’s circumstances, the problem of his launch may very well be solved in a day.
“In regards to the assumptions that he may be with us, I wish to say that we’re a part of the Islamic Emirate, we’re dedicated to obey the orders of Amirul Momineen, the Supreme Chief,” he added. “Efforts are ongoing on the authorities stage, and a workforce is designated for negotiations with them.”
When reached for remark, a US State Division spokesperson advised CNN: “The protected and fast launch of US citizen and Navy veteran Mark Frerichs is crucial. We have now made that clear to the Taliban and known as on them to launch him instantly in virtually each dialog over the previous two years.”
CNN’s Jack Man and Madalena Araujo contributed to this text.